It’s not the number you get, it’s the money you bring in. Meltzer has been hinting that is lower than desirable. BBT reruns or new sports properties would do better in the slots.

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New Japan got 46k viewers and scored a 0.00 in the 18-49 demo.

Damn I figured they'd be pulling double or triple those number honestly.

who carries that

Oof.

AXS, the channel owned by Anthem, who also own Impact Wrestling.

no one has that channel...

well more accurately no one who has that channel knows they have that channel

I’ve heard that. Still a bizarrely embarrassing number. It’ll be interesting to see how this AEW PPV hurts/helps them.

SmackDown: 1.953 million

Rampage: 464k

Oof.

<2M for SmackDown

What’s the YoY though?

lol didn't CyNick go on and on about Walking Dead YoY in this thread to compare it to RAW or something?

1.87m

5 years ago they were average 3m viewers a week on Mondays. Sad.

Year over Year only mattered that 52 weeks when AEW no longer had to compete with NXT, because they could trick all the dumdums into believing they were growing their audience. Now since that variable no longer has that benefit, well YoY is an old metric that doesn't matter. That will be $11.99

Give me 464k viewers over 1.58 mil any day! Right boys?!

its plausible these two meet in the middle in the next 5 years

Yeesh. RAW drawing more than all AEW programming combined.

I could see it. And it'll be kind of sad--just given how little people watch wrestling--but also sort of fun.

I give it less than 5 years

I'm just depressed that there'll never be a mainstream boom again. It was nice to share my wrestling love with other people.

I was listening to Konnan and Disco the other day (lolol a guilty pleasure, leave me alone) and K-Dawg brought up how everything is sort of niche these days. So, it's not like society is in a position to embrace wrestling as a mainstream juggernaut ever again--other issues with modern pro wrestling aside.

There's 28 million Peacock subscribers. Combined that with the 1.6-.1.8 million they draw on USA and you could argue that 30 million people watch Raw every Monday Night. It's very plausible.

You can't watch Raw on Peacock for at least a month after it airs.

id like to hear the peacock numbers. 30 million would be a cultural phenomenon so i doubt its that high but streaming numbers are real where as neilson is total guess work

That's why they only draw 1.6 million. The other 28 million are waiting to watch it on Peacock.

So really, RAW does 30x the ratings Dynamite does

:lol:

The math is in: time to close this thread

I think its more likely RAW would drop in the ratings down to AEWs level rather than AEW coming up to meet them in the middle. AEW has been fairly stable in the ratings for a bit now but they haven't shown any signs of meaningful growth in quite a while and I don't see any signs indicating thats going to change any time soon.

Obviously not counting streaming metrics in this equation. No idea what WWEs numbers for streaming actually are and it's quite possible AEW has a streaming presence in the near future.

“It’s cyclical”.

Just gotta keep waiting.

Also, not everything is niche, that’s a cop out.

Remember a few years ago when comic books and comic book culture was just for nerds and Marvel was about to go under? Now they produce the biggest movies of all time. How did they do this? They had a vision (and a Hulk) of what they wanted the brand to look like, and they built a catalogue of (mostly) stellar content that drew people in from all walks of life to engage with their content.

Game of Thrones is another one. On paper that’s not got mainstream appeal in the slightest. Quasi-medieval politics with wizards, and dragons, and ice zombies thrown in? Nah. It takes quality to punch through to become a mainstream cultural phenomenon.

Well, not always, there is the Kardashians.

Some things will sneak through, no doubt. Just today, more things are nice than they ever were because of content is so specifically catered. And Game of Thrones--relative to today's fast-paced climate--came out a long time ago...nothing has been that big of a phenomenon since. Not even Marvel, where the movies will create buzz--as most big budget productions will--but the TV shows don't nearly carry as much weight.

Also, lol, "it's cyclical" doesn't really hold weight when wrestling hasn't been mainstream in over 20 years. Think about how long it took to get from the Hogan era to the attitude era. Even in 1990, the product was still mainstream. It only took until 1996 for the nWo to get popular. It's not going to ever happen again--ratings have steadily declined all those years and show no signs of going the other way.

Wrestling just doesn't have the oomph it once did and the stories it tells aren't relevant to most people. It's either like WWE where it appeals only to the lowest common denominator and is total dreck, or it's AEW, and you only understand WTF is going on if you're a big wrestling nerd.

More like Game of Bones


or GOT - Great ole Titties


that's why it was so popular.

its really not. the entire nature of celebrity has completely changed, especially for modern youths. in times past the celebrities were culturally constant. brad pitt was a celebrity. period. doesnt matter if youre 8 or 80 youre at the very least aware of who the guy is.


now, through various apps and the nature of phones in general (pocket universes private to the individual,) you have personalised celebrity. a kid sees kit boga on the street and loses his mind but absolutely no one but that 1 person has ever been exposed to the content even in the smallest way.


and we arent inundated with marketing that cross pollinates these mini celebrities either. the twitch, YouTube and tick tok star doesnt advertise after all and to bring this convo back home wrestling doesnt buy ad time all that often either. personally i pay to skip ads on every device that offers the service.


so we're insulated in our niche fandoms from other niche fandoms. each man carrying along according to his tastes oblivious to any "celebrities" outside of their own purview and this is a pretty fresh reality. its not been this way since the advent of technology that allowed natational marketing. and even then celebrity status was atleast regional. now its almost designer celebrity.

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