Fuck. Silver King was one of my favorite WCW luchadores.

It can also be the way they take bumps in Mexico vs here. In lucha libre, you see more guys bumping on their hip and side vs. America where you see more back/neck type bumping.

Volare, bringing the important discussions to the table right now.

I do what I can.

Mauro Ranallo confirmed that Percy Watson recently quit NXT.

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I recently learned about Hunter liking certain tweets (via SquaredCircle)

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I don't think I will ever get used to Suzuki with hair.

Also, why does he have better hair than me?

Cuz he's just better

Because the King of Pro Wrestling willed it to be.

He felt enough time has passed for the unwashed masses to be enlightened again from his glorious mane.

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Stupid sexy Suzuki

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A Casual powerbomb off the top rope through a bunch of shit

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I think it means they’re dating.

Yep and since they're dating they won't let her lose the Raw title and end up on SD only since they don't split up couples

Or she could keep both titles and stay on Raw.

Or she could lose both titles and stay on Raw because the brand split is a clusterfuck.

Or she could keep the SD title and lose the Raw title but stay on Raw because nothing makes sense.

Whatever happens, my main point was the fact that he posted that and your response was “All this means is... (wrestling storyline)” and then thought that tweet was so great you had to show TPWW is hilariously ridiculous.

WWE's social media has acknowledged them dating...dreading WWE turning this into an angle

WWE app now shows Saudi Arabia show listed as 'SUPER SHOWDOWN' but I could have sworn they were calling it 'SANDS OF TIME'

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Lol Guy’s a company man. WWE REALLY needs him.

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Not that I blame Cena as a movie career was a no brainer. But man, The Rock/Cena feud has aged so terribly given that Cena is now doing the exact same thing.

Part 2 of their feud was extra terrible due to how lazy WWE handled it and killed any real benefit or payoff from Punk's modern era record setting WWE title reign in the process.

They could have had the match exactly the same by having Cena interfere in the match instead of the Shield, after losing the Rumble.

Watching Mid Atlantic from 82.

Jake Roberts was super skinny and using a running knee lift as a finish...
I wonder when the DDT comes in.

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According to PWI, Killer Kross recently asked for his release from Impact Wrestling.

Seems the whole situation revolves around Kross regretting signing a multi-year deal with Impact last year.

Kross feels he's currently being underpaid compared to his value outside of Impact and has also been upset with the direction of his career in the company.

Impact initially stood their ground against a pay raise but then offered one that was at a lower amount than Kross was asking and with none of the guarantees he also asked for (base pay and work dates).

Watching Bret/Tom Magee doc on Network r/n

Tom Magee being interviewed r/n

Bret Hart vs Tom Magee was a fun match.

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Apparently Viceland was working on a Dino Bravo episode for their Dark Side of the Ring series before it got dropped when they cut back plans for the series to have 6 episode instead of 10.

For some reference, Bravo allegedly had a side job as a cigarette smuggler in Canada and got on the bad side of the mob who allegedly ordered a hit on him as punishment.

But what if you add Kurt Angle to the mix?

Meh, he goes home with Scarlett Bordeaux so he's still doing quite well for himself regardless.

Good little documentary/match combo... I don't believe a man with that athleticism and size spent 3-4 years wrestling dark matches because he wasn't good enough. I don't think they wanted him in as a mid card wrestler, only as a main event hero so maybe he was held back by Hogan and kept in reserve by Vince for a time that never came.

I'd have liked a straight comment from Vince but I bet it was less about lack of talent and more about Hogan't creative control, drawing power and the lack of necessity in replacing him with anyone at that time.

Hogan was still drawing fair crowds up til 1991 or so wasn't he?

Dude was goofy and awkward in the ring, two things you don't want in a top guy.

That said, if he came out today, he'd be sucked off by the IWC as the greatest thing ever.

I mean unless Tom Magee's other matches were complete and utter dog shit there's no reason he wouldn't fit into their plans at all.

No... I think this is like buying a replacement goalkeeper only for your original goalie to play until he's 40 and so the new guy becomes a dejected squad guy who can't even depose the substitute goalie.

Eventually he just leaves the game altogether.

You could be talking about Hogan here

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Should change his name to Big Knee

Billy Graham won't be happy until nobody has any legs at all the bitter old bastard.

Saw Adam Bomb commented on Billy Graham's FB page...now looking at FB profile of Adam Bomb


https://www.facebook.com/bryan.clark.399

I thought he was dead.

Probably thinking of Bryan Adams his partner in Kronik/Crush.

Lol anyone watch the Tom Magee vs Bret Hart match

Yeah it was fun/good

Tom Magee had a huge wedgie the whole match

I was going to post this and decided to wait because I figured it would be a popular response.

Weird that Ricochet has already lost clean twice on the main roster, to Robert Roode and Baron Corbin.

Wonder when Aleister will wrestle again...feel like he had lots of momentum and him cutting heelish video promos on SD each week isn't helping him...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� ON THIS DAY �� <br><br>14 May 1995 - The first ever WWF In Your House takes place featuring a banger between <a href="https://twitter.com/BretHart?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BretHart</a> and Hakushi.<br><br>What a pairing!<br><br>Bret would pull double duty that night, also facing Jerry Lawler. <a href="https://t.co/cHCT63OfcV">pic.twitter.com/cHCT63OfcV</a></p>&mdash; WrestlingShouldBeFun (@wrestlingshoul2) <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlingshoul2/status/1128284444467564545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I feel like WWE's popularity is actually slipping tbh, as many have mentioned here.


I know wrestling is a niche market to begin with, but with sliding ratings and social media (WWE hasn't trended worldwide on Twitter since WM itself -- which is why you haven't heard them brag about trending -- YT views each week are down a little too, less merch sales, less subscriptions to the Network, less live attendance, etc.

Part of me thinks years of WWE having so much content and going against what their most vocal and passionate fans want has finally caught up with them. Granted, RAW in particular has been bad for like a year at this point and really nosedived the last few months.


IDK, I think what I am trying to say is I think ratings will keep dropping. I also think people will tune into the Network for PPVs though. I think the weekly tv shows are going to have some trouble though as they are bad and most of the time, not really a reason to watch.

I wish I had anything to add to your conclusion, Slik. This is genuinely the worst they've been in a long time.

I could see SD launching well, 3-4 million and staying that way for a few months. But then it might be a novelty thing, rather than something that attracts new viewers to WWE. Friday is a bad night for tv to begin with and WWE is NOT new-user friendly.

There's just so much of it, and to see payoff (if there is such a thing in a feud at all) you have to spend $10 more dollars a month and I can't see the general public really going for that or WWE's lame storylines like people having back hair or being short or hating the WWE universe.

I sincerely hope this isn't how it all ends.

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I don't think we have to worry about that.

RAW and SD could easily drop to 1.0 and 1.5 rating and there's enough of a fanbase WM could sell out stadiums for the new few years. I think at some point though, if things go down a slippery slope, and it would be a ways away, Vince would either just sell WWE or they'd end up cutting back on content. I know WWE's current plan is to actually produce more content each year, but I think that will just further eradicate people via being 'too much of the same thing and most of it not being that great'.

Stolen from the Wrestling Observer message boards:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERomanReigns</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERollins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERollins</a>, <br><br>I just wanted to let you know that I’m SUPER SORRY for all the atrocities I have committed against you guys over the years. <br><br>If you ever need a 3rd for a Shield reunion, we are totally down!<br><br>Best friends?🤞🏻</p>&mdash; Bray Wyatt (@WWEBrayWyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt/status/1128305261507174401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol

Jesus that sounds like a miserable environment

Yeah, I got depressed just reading that

FOX would be idiots not to have failsafes built into their contract.

Yeah, having one is what saved Destination America from the headache of having to deal with Impact and Dixie Carter for the long term.

If WWE wanted security for their show, going to FOX or any other major basic cable network was the worst option possible. FOX, NBC, ABC, and CBS are all notorious when it comes to canning or moving shows at a moments notice if they don't reach certain expectations.

The shows WWE is replacing on Fridays were averaging in the 3-4 million range and FOX still felt that was worth sacrificing to get SmackDown, which at best does in the mid 2 million range since going live.

Even with a 25% increase, they’d still only be at 2.5 million.

So in other words, Vince needs booted out on his ass, nothing but a micromanaging control freak.

Damn @ the creative team stuff

Is there any way Vince could get voted out? He's in his 70's making decisions on what he thinks people in their teens and twenties want to see ffs, he couldn't be more out of touch.

He'd have to sell off a majority of his voting share stock in order for that to be possible.

He's sold off a ton of stock within the past year but its been all non-voting shares in the company.

Pity, he lost the plot years ago.

I'm sure I've read there's a way that they can freeze his control or something of the like, but it would require a lot of work and a unified front. I'm not sure the investors in WWE know/care that much about the product to see past the green they're making from TV deals and Saudi Arabia in the moment. Look how many pulled out even though they should have known that stock is going to rise in October when those new deals kick in (at least initially).

I don't see it happening. There's too much general support/indifference to Vince running things, whether or not that is misguided at this point or not.

Vince does not look...human anymore.

He can be demoted as the chairman but pretty much would need him to be involved in a mega scandal for that to happen. Even then, he'd still likely own a very sizeable ownership share of the company going by what happened to Papa John's founder after his big racism scandal.

Him and Linda own something like 85-95% of the real power in the company so even combining the power of everyone else to oust him would be meaningless unless he agrees to leave. Not even Linda plus everyone else would be enough I believe.

37 writers?!

That's way too many cooks in the kitchen if you ask me. And Dana Warrior just got brought in and she's calling the shots. Talk about having some pull.

I'm not sure I believe that call. Some of it seems very WWE, but a lot of it seems...I dunno, my fabrication detector is going off a little.

I wonder if "under no circumstances" does WWE SD go to FS1 involves Game 3 of the World Series scheduled for Friday October 25th on FOX.

Moved in terms of the contract means permanent move. Yeah, it'll be on FS1 under that circumstance or another Fox option.

But is it really weird, though? Is it really bucking a trend of someone who, at one point, was arguably one of the biggest names on the indy scene to now get treated like a nobody on the WWE main roster? Pretty much seems like the inevitable fate of everyone to me.

Some new details via WrestleZone regarding Kross' current deal with Impact and Impact's pay raise offer:

I was wondering where impact was getting money to sign there talent for 2 year deals guess they weren't

and Im sorta pissed Last Man Standing got bumped to midseason for it.

in the left picture he sorta looks like Dan Rather

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Moolah ep of Dark Side was good. Feel like Georgia Brown git advantage taken of her because she's black. Moolah screwed over Richter but I think it was similar to Montreal where she claims to not have known Moolah was under the mask but she knew. Wendi probably could have git the belt back and kept women's wrestling going into the 90s had she not taken her ball and gone home.

The whole Wendi Richter/Moolah screwjob never made sense. Penny Mitchell was normally the Spider Lady and she looks NOTHING like Moolah physically. I don't know how she didn't know.

They showed the crowd behind her chanting "moolah" outside the ring. Even if she didn't know initially you'd think she'd have figured it out in the ring.

I'm gonna have to watch the show tomorrow and rewatch the Moolah v Richter match.

For reference, here's Penny Mitchell as The Spider Lady

I doubt it since she'd still have to deal with Vince who was never a big fan of women's wrestling to begin with and supposedly hated having to spend valuable TV time on it.

Her contract dispute presented the opportunity Vince needed to start de-emphasizing women's wrestling in the company. Considering Moolah was also involved in the demise of the original Women's Tag belts, she helped Vince achieve his goal by the end of the 80s.

As soon as Cyndi Lauper stopped appearing, Vince stopped caring.

History pretty much repeating itself again with Rousey playing the Lauper role.

Now that he doesn't have to worry about appeasing fans with Becky and history making stuff, he's right back to not giving a shit about women's wrestling in general and cramming Reigns down the throats of crowds.

For someone meant to be their next mega star, they haven't really shown it with Becky after Mania.

I think Becky is getting more attention for the two matches at MITB than Kofi is getting

Because even tho she got herself over by being believable, they don't view her as a star. Her win at Mania was needed since Rousey was leaving and they likely didn't want to have the crowd shit on that ending again and drown out boos with pyro.

She’s a bigger star than Kofi, so she should.

Other than Lesnar, who's a bigger star than Becky right now?

A lot of it is also because of both of her opponents having the ideal look Vince wants for a woman's star and the side story of Becky potentially having to defend her belts three times in one night. Also people being more worried about Vince giving one of Becky's belts to his handpick women stars than Kofi's reign being cut short.

With Kofi, he's pretty much getting pushed to the side because of Reigns taking priority and his Owens feud being rushed due to some ill timing with Bryan and Big E's injuries. On top of that, having whatever remaining focus being split because of Becky's stuff and the Wild Card nonsense.

Imagine treating your top champions as afterthought fodder

I am very intrigued. John Pollock is usually very thorough with his research.