Yeah compared to others after them, Neville and Sami would be closer to the "homegrown" side of the scale than "pre-WWE established" for how their indie star status was handled.

Wasn't until around Kevin Owens or Finn Balor where NXT's mentality with pre-established talent started to shift more in the other direction for big pushes and focus.

What's this dude's story?

Seems NWA's future is dire based on a recent rumor going around the net.

Supposedly Billy Corgan is planning to shut down the company due to serious financial issues caused by the coronavirus and the recent controversies against the company.

It’s unfortunate, what this virus has done to the loveable “little guy” like NWA. But it can easily be resurrected when life gets back to normal. If not by Billy Corgan, then by someone else. Who wants to chip in?

I was a little upset.

Even if the coronavirus hadn't wrecked things, Corgan and Lagana teased before in interviews that the NWA desperately needed a tv deal signed in order to stay afloat for the long term.

Same thing probably would have happened to Impact had Corgan actually bought them since he only had enough money to cover the purchase and maybe its debt but very little for anything else.

Corgan might be able to sell it to the WWE at fire sale price, if they’re interested in...what does the NWA actually have? Not a knock or anything. What does Corgan actually own?

cornett said wwe allready owns nwa it, vince got it years ago in a contract if it ever got big enough he could take it this was long before billy.

According to the Observer Newsletter, seems Extreme Rules is going to have at least 3 cinematic matches since the Bar Fight between Jeff Hardy and Sheamus is being taped prior to the event.

Every other match besides the Swamp Fight, Bar Fight, and Eyeball Pulling Fight will be live on Sunday.

i guess that's the way to do it now. i liked this weeks ep of impact with 2 cinematic fights, gets more out of old wrestlers.

Ugh, suffering through this for the one family member coming over to watch it live. Usually they watch it the next day on their own time. The "eyeball pulling fight" is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long while.

Re: NXT champions.

I’d say Ciampa and Gargano are “homegrown”, they weren’t known on the level of Samoa Joe, Balor, Nakamura, etc.

Not sure I'd consider either as "homegrown" or else someone like Becky Lynch would also fit that criteria despite wrestling for around 10 years prior to her WWE debut. In terms of NXT Women champs, I'd consider Sasha Banks as homegrown since her pre-WWE career was very brief.

They did benefit a ton by being associated with NXT and WWE, especially considering Gargano and Ciampa were never meant to stick around in WWE as long as they did.

Originally, they were only meant to be brought in for the short term and to give something back to EVOLVE in terms of exposure when the partnership was signed. Their quick rise in popularity and the match they had in the 1st CWC ended up changing WWE's mind and making their stay permanent.

Nah, they were top echelon independent workers. Just like anyone who made their way into NXT after working a long time with ROH and Evolve.

Riddick Moss baby

I am going to watch NXT from last week and see how I like it. In the video package from Lee/Cole, I saw Lee's finisher and I think it was f'n awesome.

Thought of putting them on the list with Neville and Zayn, but then thought "nah" because they got to keep their names and play off of their previous popularity right off the bat..... granted, they didn't play off it to almost immediate success like others did, so they are still a bit different for sure.

Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson recently confirmed the rumors of them also having beef with Paul Heyman backstage prior to their WWE releases.

Besides Style, they also claimed Heyman kept lying about his big plans and promises for the group and also played a big role in their releases since he provided the list of RAW talent to Vince to get rid of.

Also both had some bad blood with Triple H over him also lying about things in order to get them to resign with WWE instead of leaving earlier for NJPW or AEW.

I think you can draw a distinction between “debuted in the crowd at Takeover/on Takeover/clearly brought in to be at the top of the card” (Nakamura/Joe/Balor/Roode/Drew/etc) and “brought in as a hand/to fill out the roster”. It’s well known that DIY weren’t pegged for greatness when they came in.

But they were still brought in on their old names and presented as "check out these slightly popular names". They just weren't "check out these more popular names they are the best, love them immediately".

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Homegrown talent has always meant one thing. I’m not sure why it’s suddenly up for debate.

If people like Zayn, Neville, and Ciampa are homegrown nxt talent, then Jericho, Eddie, and Benoit were homegrown WCW talent.

Except they’re not. Because that’s not what homegrown means.

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The "Miz" version is pretty shit.

Goddamn that looked danger!

It was absolutely devastate!

Utterly viscious

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Homegrown Talent in WWE

Baron Corbin
Braun Strowman
Alexa Bliss
Bianca Belair
Street Profits
Liv Morgan
Charlotte Flair

Apparently the filming for the Swamp Fight match for tomorrow's Extreme Rules took around 6-7 hours to complete and part of the match was inspired by the Friday the 13th horror series, according to WrestlingInc.

No, that isn't the same thing at all.

Fucking get it right.

They also talked about the AEW VPs having a sook because they didn't sign with them, but you conveniently left that out. :lol:

I'm going to watch this with audio, but it seems to be some sort of "chasing the dream" video for Slater, which is really good, but I HATE the idea of being able to see his dreams. Why not just make it like a documentary of him driving in his car and training?

Come on, Heath -- you know better.

If that's his wife, then good for him too.

I think Keith Lee should have vacated the NA Title after winning in NXT and Slater should have come in and entered a tournament that William Regal says he needs to win in order to get an NXT deal, because "this isn't a charity" or whatever. Slater can win the tournament and have a feel-good moment with a singles belt. Probably triple AEW in the demos.

Not sure if you're doing a comprehensive list, but I think you can include:

Akam
Big E
Bobby Lashley
Bo Dallas
Bray Wyatt
Brock Lesnar
Carmella
Chad Gable
Dana Brooke
Dolph Ziggler
Jeff Hardy
John Morrison
Lana
Lars Sullivan
Mandy Rose
The Miz
Mojo Rawley
Nia Jax
Otis
Randy Orton
Rezar
Roman Reigns
Riddick Moss
Shayna Baszler
Shelton Benjamin
Sonya Deville
Tamina
Titus O'Neil
Tucker

Utter vicious.

It's even downright dastard.

Joey Ryan speaks out, feels he is 'under attack' by social media


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Because it had nothing to do with topic of the bad blood between Heyman and Styles, Anderson, and Gallows. The stuff with Triple H was associated but more of him being a minor player to the Heyman beef.

No one was talking about that. They were talking about homegrown talent. :lol:

And what does that have to do with my original post about the new details regarding the backstage issues between Styles and Heyman?

I'm not watching a 58 min Joey Ryan video but sounds like I'm not missing much


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think it's uncool the level of detail sexually that Joey has gone into explaining all of this. Communicating she's tight because she does kegals has no value in this, and just feels slimy and gross.</p>&mdash; Andy Nemmity (@AndyNemmity) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndyNemmity/status/1284632518025601024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Joey Ryan is a fucking psycho.